As a whole, the class did very well on Essay 1, and 4 students already accomplished successful revisions over the break. For those who didn't do as well as they had hoped, here are some trends; if you see that this applies to your essay, you can thoroughly correct the problem:
In category 1 of the grading rubric,
- some students really needed for their topic sentences (the first sentence in each body paragraph) to have something to do with comparison/contrast, and NOT to tell part of the story being covered.
- in some cases, in body paragraphs, students spent too much time summarizing the plot and not enough time talking about the psychological aspects of the characters or, if relevant, the political aspects of the stories.
- some students did not cover the narrative mode and 2 other literary techniques
- some students did very general summaries of comparison/contrast in the conclusion rather than the key points that made the stories similar or different.
In category 2 of the rubric,
- Some students did not follow any of the outlines closely enough. One number in the outline =one paragraph
- In some cases, transitions between the stories weren't clear
In category 3 of the rubric,
- For students who had low grades in category 3, I strongly recommend getting Grammarly online, but in any case, focus on careful proofreading of anything you add to the paper and any paragraph I didn't mark for grammar.
- In some cases, I used . . . . a lot, indicating word waste, so notice these parts and be sure to eliminate the unnecessary words in the revision document.
- In some cases, students repeated the same word over and over within a paragraph. Use brainstorming for synonyms, an online thesaurus, and pronoun substitutes.
OUTLINING, Mon. March 30, 2020
In the following outlines, each number stands for a particular paragraph in the essay. You should mention the 3 or 4 literary terms wherever you think they fit naturally, except that climax and/or resolution go into particular paragraphs in the outline below. Don't define the literary techniques when you use them, and don't go into a lot of detail. Everyone should mention the kind of narrator used-- for example, if it's a first person narrator in Gay's story, when you are quoting her, you can introduce the quote by saying something like: The first-person narrator, who is also the protagonist, is not afraid of her husband actually behaving unfaithfully: " ________________ " (Gay). Some of the best literary terms to use for this essay, aside from narrator and resolution and/or climax are: flashback, twist, interior monologue, irony, symbol, image. Remember: you only need 3 literary terms. Using many of them does not necessarily improve the quality of the essay, which is mostly focused on interpretation of the characters and themes.
Outline A (character analysis) -- for "Open Marriage" by Gay and "The Little Green Monster" by Murakami.
1. Introduction--state the name of the two authors and the two stories and indicate the general subject matter (not thesis or main idea) of your comparison/contrast--for example, analysis of the 2 protagonists
2. - 3. Gay-- wife's problem with husband
4.. - 5. Similarity and/or difference in topic sentence: "Little Green Monster" protagonist facing spousal neglect and fear of monster
6. Gay-- wife's strategy for dealing with husband
7. Similarity and/or difference: Murakami's protagonist's dealing with monster and symbolism of monster in relation to husband
8. Significance/meaning of climax and/or resolution of Gay's story
9. Similarity and/or difference (in topic sentence): In the climax and/or resolution (your decision), Murakami's protagonist conquers her fear and finds control.
10. Conclusion--summary of most important comparisons and contrasts and (optional) questions for further interpretation
Outline A (character analysis) s: “Now We Will Be Happy”by Amina Gautier & “The Little Green Monster”by Haruki Murakami (A lot of you will be doing other combinations of stories--this is just an example so that you can see how a particular structure works.)
1. Introduction--state the name of the two authors and the two stories and indicate the general subject matter (not thesis or main idea) of your comparison/contrast--for example, analysis of the 2 protagonists
2. Pedro's abuse of Rosa
3. Similarity and/or difference in topic sentence: "Little Green Monster" protagonist facing spousal neglect.
4. Rosa's Puerto Rican background's influence on her attitude to Pedro's abuse
5. Similarity and/or difference: Murakami's protagonist's Japanese background's influence on her attitude to her husband's neglect
6. Rosa's strategies to take control of her life
7. Similarity and/or difference in topic sentence: Murakami's protagonist's strategies to take control of her life
8. In the climax and/or resolution (your decision, Rosa takes or doesn't take control of her life
9. Similarity and/or difference (in topic sentence): In the climax and/or resolution (your decision), Murakami's protagonist conquers her fear and finds control.
10. Conclusion--summary of most important comparisons and contrasts and (optional) questions for further interpretation
Outline B (character analysis) in process (same content, different structure):
1. Introduction--state the name of the two authors and the two stories and indicate the general subject matter (not thesis or main idea) of your comparison/contrast--for example, analysis of the 2 protagonists
2. Pedro's abuse of Rosa
3. Rosa's Puerto Rican background's influence on her attitude to Pedro's abuse
4. Rosa's strategies to take control of her life
5. In the climax and/or resolution (your decision), Rosa takes control or doesn't take control of her life
6. Transition to Murakami (similarity/difference): "Little Green Monster" protagonist facing spousal neglect.
7. (reference to Rosa in topic sentence) Murakami's protagonist's Japanese background's influence on her attitude to her husband's neglect
8. (reference to Rosa in topic sentence) Murakami's protagonist's strategies to take control of her life
9. (reference to Rosa in topic sentence) In climax and/or resolution (your decision), Murakami's
protagonist conquers her fear and finds control
10. conclusion--summary of most important comparisons and contrasts and (optional) questions for further interpretation
You shouldn't talk about MANY comparisons and contrasts in the essay; you should talk about 3 to 5 and then really support them with evidence.
FOR LOW STAKES WRITING, BODY PARAGRAPH DUE on Mon. Mar. 30, 2020
Mon. 3/30 assignment- (submit by email by 10:30 am- HOMEWORK: LOW STAKES WRITING: ONE BODY PARAGRAPH OF ESSAY 1.
It doesn't matter which body paragraph you do; just don't do the introduction or the conclusion.
We don't yet have a set of outlines to choose from for Essay 1, but in this sample body paragraph, you can do 1 of the following:
a) state and elaborate on a central point about 1 of the 2 stories that the paper is about (which you will in a latter paragraph compare or contrast with a central point about the other)
b) state and elaborate on a central point about BOTH stories at the same time. (This is more difficult. I don't recommend it, because it's more suitable for the conclusion)
Here are choices for a correct paragraph structure which are partly from the Writing and Literature Textbook, and remember that I Q A means Introduce, Quote, Analyze:
The average body paragraph should be 7 to 10 sentences, including quotations from your sources.
Body paragraph structure:
a. Begin with a topic sentence—either the main point of the paragraph (or the question to be answered in the paragraph). (The next sentence might further develop ideas in the first. )
b. Introduce (the I in I Q A) a quote
c. Present the quote (the Q in I Q A) itself.
d. Analyze (the A of I Q A) the quote in terms of proving the topic sentence.
In some body paragraphs, the writer performs the I Q A pattern twice or even 3 times.
In other body paragraphs, there is some paraphrase and analysis and then an I Q A pattern—or the other way around.
When writing body paragraphs, make sure that you develop your ideas logically and avoid big generalizations that you can’t support. Do not include information that is unrelated to your essay’s main point (thesis). Also, avoid repeating ideas. “As I said before” is a bad thing to say!
ANONYMOUS STUDENTS' EXAMPLES OF A BODY PARAGRAPH, Mon. Mar. 30, 2020
Frequently, one can discern and experience the reality of social inequality in the workforce, and this is especially more notorious for immigrants. In the story Now We Will Be Happy, the author, Amina Gautier, actively points out the social inequality that Yauba as an immigrant faces in his job. Gautier decides to expose and address this element of social inequality by proffering us an insight into Yauba's life in his job. Gautier writes, "Taking no notice of Yauba, these international girls... [W]ho had come here for school, lifted fingers and pointed to what they wanted, held their plates up to the gloved hands that dished their helpings." These international girls spend no attention in Yauba as an individual doing a job, but more likely regard him as a tool; as part of an outer experience of which they do not intend nor care to learn or understand. Men are all created equal, but the truth is that, socially, they don't remain equal. As Gautier rightly notes, ''Thanks to the Jones Act, no Puerto Rican is an immigrant, a fact Jim always pretends to know", Gautier continues, ''He hates to pay him his due, give him his right, treat him like the citizen he is." The fact is that Jim sees Yauba as a second class citizen, one that he can exploit.
TF comment: If this is the first or second body paragraph, then the first time the writer quotes Gautier, after the last ", they should use a parenthetic citation: (Gautier). The period is after the
( ) citation. No page number is needed because it's from my syllabus, not a real book or print magazine or PDF of a magazine with pages. The first time you quote each story, use ( ) citation, not after that.
The topic sentence (first sentence) is very effective (if the overall thesis involves "social inequality," because it does INTERPRETATION of the story; it does NOT tell what happened. This is very important, because you should assume the reader knows basically what happens in the stories, and every topic sentence should deal with issues in the prompt (my specific instructions for writing the essay in the course schedule of the syllabus). Actually, the first 2 sentences act as the topic sentence, because the paragraph is supporting the point in the first sentence by talking about Gautier's story AND NOT ABOUT THE OTHER ONE. This point will be covered for the other story and the comparison/contrast will be made in A DIFFERENT paragraph.
Another really good thing about this paragraph is that there are 2 I Q As: each of the 2 quotes is introduced in the writer's own words, and then comes each " " and finally, the writer analyzes the quote to prove the point in the topic sentence. And these quotes are very useful in proving the point.
So what can be improved about this paragraph? There are only 2 things: 1) The sentence, "Men are all created... remain equal," should be cut, because the previous sentence of interpretation already proves the point, and it's a large generalization that is already covered enough in the opening sentence of the paragraph. 2) Instead of Gautier writes as the introduction for the first quote, this is an opportunity to say something like: "Gautier's third-person subjective narrator represents Yauba's interior monologue: "
The semi-colon after the word "tool" is incorrect; there should be either a dash or a comma. When I grade your papers, if there are substantial grammar errors, I will only be identifying these errors in 3 paragraphs where they are most numerous or evident, and it should be assumed that the student should look for similar errors in other paragraphs while revising and while doing online work with tutors at the Writing Center. In the case of this student's work, the one little error is insignificant, and I wouldn't comment on grammar in that particular paragraph.
Both women characters share a similarity in their actions. Through the experiences both women had in both stories it showed their true character & it’s result in their actions. In “The Green Little Monster” the women’s actions in her story led her from being a scared women approaching her situation frightened and hopeless but later grew courage to stand up to the creature and kill it with negative thoughts she began to grow. Later realizing it helped dominate the creature to its death. Beginning the story we see the women scared and frightened as the creature creeping out of the ground of her oak tree outside walking to the front of her door as she thought “I breathed as quietly as I could, pretending not to be there, hoping the thing would give up and go away.” The women suffering on the inside feeling terrified was hoping for the creature to not believe she was present in her home. This shows the beginning of her emotions in the start of the story that later leads to her actions. Later coming to realize that the creatures weak spot was through her negative thoughts of the creature in which affected him listening to those thoughts and making him weak. We see her thinking “You are an ugly little monster! The purple of the scales grew deeper, and the thing's eyes began to bulge as if they were sucking in all the hatred I was sending them. They protruded from the creature's face like ripe green figs, and tears like red juice ran down from them, splattering on the floor. I wasn't afraid of the monster anymore.” Ending the story off the women builds courage and grows strongly to go against the emotions she had in the beginning towards the creature to finally beat him to his death. Her emotions didn’t get to her anymore but rather help her against the creature leading her to take action against who she first thought was terrifying and frightening to becoming the hero of her story through those actions.
TF comment: My comment on ( ) citation about the previous student's paragraph applies to this one as well. Notice that the previous paragraph puts the action in the PRESENT tense, while this one puts it in the PAST tense but then sometimes switches to the present. Everyone should PUT THE ACTION CONSISTENTLY IN THE PRESENT TENSE for all stories.
This paragraph contains two fragments that have the same basic problem:
Later realizing it helped dominate the creature to its death.
should read: The protagonist later realizes that it helps dominate the creature to its death.
Later coming to realize that the creatures weak spot was through her negative thoughts of the creature in which affected him listening to those thoughts and making him weak. should read: SHE LATER COMES to realize.. weak.
You can't use a gerund (an -ing word to begin a sentence, unless it's merely the beginning of a dependent clause--look that up in the Purdue OWL!--followed by an independent clause. Everyone should watch out for fragments.
I think that the writer has very strong insight into Murakami's protagonist's change from timidity to courage, and both quotations support this main point of the paragraph. The I Q A is solid. The first two sentences can be combined into one topic sentence:Both women characters share a similarity in their actions. Through the experiences both women had in both stories it showed their true character & it’s result in their actions.
Both women characters share a similarity in their actions, because their experience showed their true character and how their actions produced a result.
The last 2 sentences have effective ideas but can be stated more concisely, since there is some repetition of ideas:
Ending the story off the women builds courage and grows strongly to go against the emotions she had in the beginning towards the creature to finally beat him to his death. Her emotions didn’t get to her anymore but rather help her against the creature leading her to take action against who she first thought was terrifying and frightening to becoming the hero of her story through those actions.
At the end of Murakami's story, the woman builds courage and overcomes her fear towards the creature to finally beat him to death. Her emotions didn’t get to her anymore but rather help her against the creature, leading her to become the hero of her story through those actions.
DEVELOPING A THESIS:
The thesis (main point, presentable in a sentence or 2) does not contain all 3-5 elements of comparison/contrast; that would be much too long! The thesis contains the most important or the broadest (most encompassing) element of comparison or contrast or both.
Here is Giselle's example, which I've just tweaked a little, of a tentative thesis:
In both Gay and Murakami's stories, the female protagonists seem to be in a complicated relationship, yet the society can be what is causing the complication, and their different personalities and emotions are seen in how they handle the situation.
Analysis: This is very close to a fully realized and effective thesis, because Giselle finds the common ground: the two different societies are held responsible for the protagonists' problems. But equally importantly, she is thinking about how the characters RESPOND to their difficulties.
Here is a revision that might make this a fully realized thesis by creating even greater specificity by using the language of feminist analysis that you can find in our Writing and Literature Textbook, p. 2:
In both Gay and Murakami's stories the female protagonists' problems in relationships with their husbands are caused by the patriarchal (male-dominant) societies in which they live, and the characters respond to their lack of social power in different ways, with differing results.
Of course, the thesis doesn't say HOW the responses and results are different and why, but that would make the thesis too long, so the writer can elaborate on this in the essay itself.
BRAINSTORMING FOR COMPARISON/CONTRAST
MOORE, MARIA 2032: FUTURE SHOCK AND GAUTIER, NOW WE WILL BE HAPPY. (Samuel)
- Characters from both stories are from a Hispanic background. [TF comment: this is good but you need to go further and say whether the Hispanic background is portrayed in a similar or different way and how that has an impact on a theme of the story--for example, social inequality.
- There's an important element very present in both stories: Social inequity. TF: yes--and you can further indicate whether it's similar or different inequality if that's important to your overall argument.
- Yauba's character is similar to Maria's. They are both very proud of where they come from, and how it has shaped them. TF: Yes, and you might say how this influences the action of the story
- Both characters give importance to their families (Maria's dad, Yauba's aunt, Rosa's parents). TF: This could be important, if it fits one of the other main points, but if it doesn't, you might choose to leave it out of the actual paper.
Frances
“Now We Will Be Happy" by Gautier and Gay’s “Open Marriage”: commonalities:
Rosa and Gay's narrator's husband: both in unhappy marriages and desire to be true to oneself.
TF: Yes, this can be the basis for your overall analysis.
Also: a drive to change their destiny.
TF: Right, and you'll relate this to the climax in each.
Common trope of food (tostones/yogurt)
TF: This is a very interesting point and even if it isn't "major," you need to put it in where it fits.
TF: This is a very interesting point and even if it isn't "major," you need to put it in where it fits.
both stories: climax with an unknown resolution.
difference:
first person (Gay) vs. 3rd person (Gautier)
TF: Third person __________. Please be specific. I encourage you all to consider using narrative technique as part of your analysis (and as 1 of your 3 lit. terms) and it can either be a separate paragraph or woven into the introduction or some body paragraph where it's relevant.
TF: Third person __________. Please be specific. I encourage you all to consider using narrative technique as part of your analysis (and as 1 of your 3 lit. terms) and it can either be a separate paragraph or woven into the introduction or some body paragraph where it's relevant.
Giselle:
Gay "Open Marriage" and Murakami "The Little Green Monster".
Gay "Open Marriage" and Murakami "The Little Green Monster".
3 ELEMENTS about the characters
- Is that both female leads are wives and are in a complicated relationship.
- both seem independent
- the difference is that wife by Gay, is more dominant, confident and strong and the other wife by Murakami is timid, scared, doesn't seem strong but at the end becomes strong.
TF: These are excellent points-- you will want to relate them to the climax and resolution, non-resolution
TF: These are excellent points-- you will want to relate them to the climax and resolution, non-resolution
2 ELEMENTS about literary techniques
- The symbolism of the tree and the yogurt. TF: yes-- symbolism is important, and show how it conveys theme
- the irony of when the wife by Gay was saying she allows husband to be involved with other people. Can also bring modern society into this? TF- Yes, irony is connected to modern society here, and you want to find an irony in the other story.
Here is the link for my YouTube video on Plagiarism, MLA Documentation, IQA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChJ4ncuLd2c
While you're listening to this video, have the Writing and Literature Textbook at hand.
One thing I didn't discuss in this 20 minute video is "patchwriting," which isn't exactly plagiarism and isn't penalized as strongly but does need to be eliminated before someone can get a grade. Patchwriting is changing the grammar and structure of someone else's sentence so that you are not using exactly the same words and not giving credit to them. For example, if a text says, "This world is changing" while a student writes, "The world changes," that's patchwriting. We should all avoid it instead, quote directly and put " " around the quotation, and follow it with a parenthetical citation (also called in-text citation).
Good morning Professor Fink it's me Jamie Santana from your Mondays and Wednesdays10:30am class
ReplyDeleteHi, Jamie. Do you have any questions about the video?
ReplyDeleteI dont have any questions. I got confused monday and thought I had to comment on this section sorry
DeleteGood morning,
ReplyDeleteWatched video. No questions for now.
Xikun Zhu
Thanks, Xikun. I think you'll enjoy the discussion of the Gautier story in the comments section.
DeleteOne question, Purdue owl is a valid source of online assistance in regards to MLA citations right ?
ReplyDeleteOn page 14-15 of the writing textbook there is a section regarding the MLA citations. That should be better updated version than Purdue OWL. It is better for grammar helps.
DeleteMine in the textbook is up to date. I haven't compared the 2 but I imagine that Purdue OWL would also be up-to-date. They are pretty rigorous.
DeleteGood Morning,
ReplyDeleteI don't have any questions about the video.
Now, for the low stakes assignments, what does 3 elements mean?
I'm very confuse about that. I looked it up but I still don't understand.
Gabriela, an element would be a similarity or difference in the desires, fears, frustrations, motivations, results of actions, and ways of dealing with other people in 2 characters in 2 different stories. Or it would be a similarity or difference in the themes of the 2 stories, the geographical contexts (i.e. 2 different societies producing 2 different cultural aspects), or in literary techniques: similar or different kinds of narrators with similar or different effects, interior monologue or no interior monologue, dialogue or not dialogue, etc.
DeleteSo, for each element of comparison and/or contrast is one statement about any of those?
Deleteand, also, do you want us to sent this homework directly to your email?
Good morning,
ReplyDeleteNo questions about the video just waiting for details about the low stakes assignment
Munir, your essay is a comparison/contrast, so the low stakes assignment for March 25 is a brainstorming of the things that you want to compare and contrast in the body paragraphs. See also what I said about to Gabriela.
DeleteThanks a lot professor will get on it ASAP have a good day
DeleteGood morning,
ReplyDeleteI have no questions, but for the Low Stakes assignments, what do you mean about in body format, do you want us to answer for both questions in body format. Also for turning in the assignment, we email it to you right?
Giselle J Bravo Hernandez
Giselle, the body of an email is the portion in which you write an email, not an attachment. So yes, you write the assignment in an email to me. And you aren't exactly answering questions but brainstorming ideas. (Please also see what I wrote to Gabriela.
DeleteOkay thank you. So we can either email you our brainstorming ideas just as an email or also as an word doc.
DeleteGood morning,
ReplyDeleteWill the low stakes assignments be emailed and can it be in a pdf version?
Jenny Lin.
Jenny, a PDF version may not let me copy and paste for the purpose of quoting you while commenting, so please just compose it as a regular email, and then I can easily comment. Thanks.
DeleteDoes our paper have to be typed on microsoft word? Specifically microsoft word.
DeleteJenny, Sorry, I didn't see this. I can basically only read Microsoft Word on my desktop Mac.
DeleteGood morning, I have watched the video and it was pretty clear, I have no questions.
ReplyDeleteGreat, TJ. Let me know if there's any ambiguity with the low stakes prompt for this Wednesday.
Deletehey there, so I might have missed out when this was discussed on the first day of class (I was late) but can anyone else please tell me what it means by high and low STAKE writing? I'm going assume that we're talking about the "quality" of how we write (please correct me if i'm wrong).
ReplyDeleteBrittany, there are 3 graded essays; these are high stakes writing. The 7 low stakes writings--for example, the one due on Wednesday-- are not graded themselves (unless someone doesn't submit them on time or does not basically do what they are supposed to according to the instructions, in which case points are deducted--and these low stakes assignments are very short. If you look at the course schedule after the syllabus, you will see the prompts for all the low stakes assignments listed: none is more than a paragraph, whereas a high stakes essay will be numerous paragraphs.
DeleteOkay great that clears things up for me, one more question in that case; what was the title of the book we had to purchase for class?
DeleteGood Afternoon,
ReplyDeleteI saw the video you went straight to the point I understood it and I have no questions on it or the essay so far.
- Jaimy Galarza
Thanks, Jaimy. If you have questions about the low stakes between this afternoon and Wednesday, please send them to me in an email.
DeleteAlthough for the low stakes writing how long does it have to be? Can I get a specific word count please or paragraph count?
DeleteI'm sorry I just saw your reply now should I still ask this via email?
DeleteThis particular low stakes is not in paragraph form: it is a list of comparisons and contrasts that does not have to be in full sentences; it can be in fragment-phrases. There is no specific word count: just come up with 3 to 5 comparisons and / or contrasts as the prompt for Mar. 25 on page 5 of the syllabus/course schedule says. An earlier comment in this post has more details about what constitutes an element of comparison and or contrast.
DeleteGood Afternoon,
ReplyDeleteI saw and understood your video and will work on the low stakes assignment. Thank you very much.
Hi professor Fink, I’ve watched the video and wanted to ask what is the topic for our essay and when will it be due?
ReplyDeleteEdona Berisha
Edona, please take a look at p. 5 of the syllabus/course schedule for Wed. March 25, which tells you the low stakes assignment, and then Mon, 3/30, another low stakes, and then on the bottom of the page and the following page for Mon, April 6, which gives the prompt for Essay 1 itself. You can compare and contrast:
DeleteGay, "Open Marriage" and Moore, "Maria 2032"
OR
Gay "Open Marriage" and Murakami, "Little Green Monster"
OR
Gay "Open Marriage" and Gautier "Now We Will Be Happy"
OR
Moore, "Maria 2032" and Murakami, "The Little Green Monster
OR
Moore, "Maria 2032" and Gautier, "Now We Will Be Happy"
OR
Murakami's story and Gautier's story.
Ok Thank you professor.
DeleteThe video it was pretty detailed and clear, also the information about patchwriting it was good and I have no question so far.
ReplyDeleteQuestion about the low stakes assignments, What are the 3 elements?
ReplyDeleteEthiel, an element could be a similarity or difference in the desires, fears, attempted solutions to problems, results of actions, and ways of dealing with other people in 2 characters in 2 different stories. Or it would be a similarity or difference in the themes of the 2 stories, the geographical contexts (i.e. 2 different societies producing 2 different cultural aspects), or in literary techniques: similar or different kinds of narrators with similar or different effects, interior monologue or no interior monologue, dialogue or not dialogue, etc.
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ReplyDeleteIn general, if you want elements to compare and contrast in the low stakes, I think it might be helpful to look at some of the questions in the Writing and Literature Textbook on pages 2 and 3 for Psychological Criticism, or Feminist Criticism, or Political Criticism. (Well, Philosophical Criticism is pretty abstract, but some people might actually find that useful.) For example, Psychological Criticism deals with characters' desires. Is the desire of character A in story A similar or different from character B in story B?
ReplyDeleteGood afternoon, professor
ReplyDeleteI have no question about the video it was pretty clear.
I just want to summarize what we need to do for our first essay and correct me if I'm wrong.
We need to choose two stories from the four stories we have read so far and find 3 or more elements that compares and/or contrast them and have it done before our next meeting. I have one question. where do we need to submit the assignment? bogger or do we send it by email?
thank you!
based on the syllabus, it says to submit in the body of an email by 10:30 am
DeleteYes, Brittany is right. Just write it as an email. But, Jhonny, you're calling it "our first essay," and what you're doing for Wed. is not the essay itself but the low stakes assignment, which PREPARES you for the essay. (If necessary, see what I wrote to Ethiel a few posts ago.) Remember that you don't even need full sentences; this low stakes writing is basically a list.
DeleteDo you think we can use modern society as a literary techniques?
ReplyDeleteGiselle, modern society is a theme rather than a literary technique. Are there differences between the depiction of modern society in the 2 stories? That's the question to deal with. Regarding literary techniques, when you mention them, they should be related to the theme(s) of the stories. This will all become very clear when I publish the final outlines that we will come up with on the blog.
DeleteHello professor I just wanted to know if you got my email with the low stakes assignment -Elvin A.
ReplyDeleteElvin, I got it. I wish I could put all the many low stakes I got up on the blog, but there are limitations. Did you see anything in one of those posts that you want to elaborate on?
DeleteI see jaimy has something in common with my paragraph because i too think there is a climax in both stories "Now We Will Be Happy" and "Open Marriage" .
DeleteGood Morning,
ReplyDeleteAfter doing the low stakes writing I feel like I have at least 3 paragraphs prepared already. I am comparing/contrasting Gay and Gauitier as they both shared themes of potential Infidelity. Arguably there was already Infidelity in the minds of both married couples already.
Freddy, infidelity is a good theme but especially the DIFFERENCES in the causes of infidelity. I'm happy that you already have 3 fundamental paragraphs, and in fact Xikun wrote hers in paragraph form and also seems to have 3. (I barely had a chance to glance at any, but that will be my homework for tomorrow to respond to everyone very briefly. When you all do the low stakes paragraph, I will respond less briefly.) I should emphasize that you should wait to do the entire paper until we reach and fulfill the outlining phase on Monday.
DeleteI sort of started to write a draft for the paper as I was writing the elements. Didn't want to lose my chain of thoughts so I kept everything. 😀
DeleteUnderstood, that makes sense I wouldn't want to rewrite an essay multiple times.
DeleteYes, Xikun, I wasn't criticizing this choice; the technique worked for you, and you remember how we did outlining in 101. Actually, Freddy, if you want to write the whole paper, it's fine, but if necessary, be ready to rearrange paragraphs or parts of paragraphs if you find that one of the outlines we come up with is a better form of organization than the one you currently have.
DeleteGood Morning,
ReplyDeleteFor the comparison with the two stories "Now We Will Be Happy" and "Open Marriage" that they have a climax with no resolution is not quite right in my opinion. This is because at the end of Open Marriage the wife in a way shut down her husbands "idea" of having an open marriage by showing him how easy it is to get him shy by making a "sexual" movement licking the yogurt.
- Jaimy Galarza
Jamie, that's a really interesting point. I think you can support either position. In any case, one body paragraph could certainly be about resolution and climax. When we discuss outlining, we'll talk about where to put it in the sequence of body paragraphs.
DeleteI think I see where you are going with this. The resolution can also be a mental satisfaction or better a feeling of emotional accomplishment. would you agree?
DeleteYou have a really good point, In open marriage, you can see how the wife is giving him a “free pass” to go out with other girls since he lost his virginity to his wife. You see that the wife is dominate in the relationship, but not as controlling.
DeleteYeah I'm thinking more of a mental satisfaction and the wife has the "pants" in the relationship.
DeleteI agree with Freddy and Edona.
DeleteGood morning professor. Is the class is going on now because I am trying to connect with class and I can't find. Can you please let know
ReplyDeleteYes Tanzu, you are in the right place. Thanks for your low stakes. Take a look at some of the low stakes that I posted and see if you have ideas about them
DeleteGood Morning,
ReplyDeleteI like the ideas Giselle have for Gay's and Murakami's story.
I think they are good topics to talk about in the essay.
Thank you, can you please help in a way i can organize my essay to be long. I don't know how we are gonna write in 8-10 paragraphs.
DeleteWe're going to go over the outlining of paragraph organization on Monday both in the "Essay 1- Organization" post and in the comments section. You will have no trouble seeing how to create 8-10 paragraphs, but we're just brainstorming now.
DeleteOkay thank you
DeleteGood morning Professor. I sent my low stakes writing although I was stuck on the literally technique for the two stories. I want to have your opinion on what would the correct answer or should I change something around.
ReplyDeleteI'll give you specific feedback in the next day or 2 via email reply, but I want to emphasize that when in doubt about fiction techniques, use narrative point of view (i.e. first-person or third-person limited) and also interior monologue. But other possibilities are: flashback, dialogue, twist, climax and resolution. You only need 3 and you don't have to talk a lot about any of the 3, except maybe narrative point of view.
DeleteAlright thank You Prof. Fink
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ReplyDeleteI definitely agree with Giselle’s points as I made similar points when comparing the same two stories in my assignment. One point I didn’t mention that I also agree with is the symbolism behind both the oak tree & the yogurt.
Darry Lopez
The low stakes writing by Giselle is a good comparison about the two stories.
ReplyDeleteI feel like the point about "Both characters give importance to their families (Maria's dad, Yauba's aunt, Rosa's parents)" is true but ultimately not needed unless it can connect to a literary device as it is not an important detail on it's own, no offense.
ReplyDeleteWell, TJ, although I agree that the family comparison may not make the final cut, I should emphasize that you don't have to have a literary device mentioned in every single body paragraph-- if there are 7 body paragraphs, maybe 3 would be enough. Sometimes you're just working out ideas about theme,
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ReplyDeleteIn both "Now We Will Be Happy" and "Open Marriage" i believed that both story were left with an unresolved climax. they both left you wondering what was going to happen next.
100% agree with you. We se what’s going on with the characters and we have a good idea but when never know what happens next and what’s going to happen.
DeleteOne possible thesis for my essay could be that Murakami and Gautier both show the ideas of love and self worth through the juxtaposition of the character and their situation, the surrealism of their imagination, and how the tone of the story is suddenly interrupted by their imaginations.
ReplyDeleteWow: we had such an intense discussion that we didn't have time to talk about the thesis, which was the second part of my agenda for today, and the class ends in less than 10 minutes. (Of course, you can continue the discussion, and I'll check back in briefly tomorrow.) But actually if you think about it, some people DID make statements that sounded like a thesis.
ReplyDeleteThis is what I'm going to do: before Monday, I'll put on this blogpost (not the comments section) some ideas about how to discover your thesis for essay 1, and then I'll try to find 2 or 3 examples in the comments section and modify them to fit a thesis structure.
Sounds good.
DeleteThank you!
Perfect! Thank you.
DeleteI plan to plan to compare/contrast “Little Green Monster” and “Now We Will Be Happy” because they both share the same theme, abuse within a heterosexual sexual marriage in different ways physical/mental. It’s important that they share the same theme because it’s also shows how abuse towards women is continuous issue that is present despite culture; both characters in both stories are very diverse women.
ReplyDelete- Not sure if this posted more then once, I had issues publishing my comment earlier
Brittany, this is very good, but an important difference is that in Murakami's story, the husband's neglect would not be called abuse by some feminist theorists--especially in comparison to Pedro's abuse in the other story--so you want to account thoroughly for that difference. Also, the functions of the monster and Yauba in relation to the female protagonists in the 2 stories need to be accounted for.
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ReplyDeleteI know im kinda of late but i was wondering if its possible for me send you the low stakes now because i was really lost about the online class and everything also i dont really know what low stakes writing is.
Yes, Sarzin. Please send it in the body of an email. Thanks. You posted very well so you're doing fine and will be able to do it on Monday.
Deletelow stakes writing questions is on the syllabus and you just have to send him an email for that day :)
ReplyDeleteOkay this is what I got for thesis statements:
ReplyDeleteIn both Gay and Murakami stories the female leads seem to be in a complicated relationship however the society can be what is causing the compilation.Their personalities and emotions are seen on how they handle the situation.
This is quite strong. I'll post it on the blog and talk about it as an example. Thank you!
DeleteGood afternoon professor I just got done watching your youtube video it was very insightful and helpful I am currently working on building my body paragraph for the low stakes assignment.
ReplyDelete- Kaniya White
I'm glad it was helpful, Kaniya.
ReplyDeleteGood morning
ReplyDeleteI think outline A is better because it's a bit more simple and easier to understand. But i had no issues with outline B either i just prefer outline A
Munir, I'm glad that you like outline A. In the next 45 minutes or so, I think that we can decide on what to fill in for the parts that are missing. Although I may not be looking at the paragraph you sent me this morning and sending feedback by email until tonight or tomorrow, I think you'll probably find (even before my comments) that the topic sentence and perhaps some of the analysis after it might change according to what's in the outline for that body paragraph.
ReplyDeleteI also feel like A is a better outline because it is straight forward, plus it helped me form my own outline.
ReplyDelete-Elvin A.
having problems publishing, so hopefully this is not repeating more than once
You published perfectly.
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ReplyDeleteThank you for helping me develop my thesis statement,
I like Outline B because it seems organized on how they are going to structure the essay.
Thematic I might be doing the focus on relationships and they characters.
Outline A is very straight forward and right to the point of the story, meanwhile outline B is more in depth and explains the story a bit further. Outline B does give us a more open view and into the story and the characters life.
ReplyDeleteSincerely,
Jenny Lin.
Good morning Professor Fink. I believe outline B is easier and helps with having your writing flow
ReplyDeleteI agree with Jenny Lin about outline B. You'd be able to explain further and clearly that way you can state clear points in your writing without being lost or confused
ReplyDeleteGiselle, Jenny, Jamie, and Elvin, I think you all have good reasons for your choices, and I see that no one wants to do a purely thematic analysis (outline C), which is fine with me. Now please tell me what you think we should do with the paragraphs in A and B that I have only given a hint for-- that I have not filled in.
ReplyDeleteI think with the paragraph in outline A, although it is straight forward and to the central point, the writer can add more details about the story overall to the paragraph. The other outline gives a good amount of details about the little monster; however, I think the writer can also add in more details about the narrators feelings, thoughts, and the way she is or how she sees herself.
DeleteYes, Jenny, the outline is meant to be a kind of skeleton, and when you're actually writing the body paragraphs, you think of these kinds of details to add.
DeleteIn my opinion I think you can finish Line 8 on outline A by adding "Rosa's relationship with yauba" for example how it ended or reached it's turning point
DeleteYes I agree with Elvin.
DeleteI agree with Jenny and you as outline A is more skeletal but it also has a nice comparison and contrast to it. But it seems a bit like your flip flopping in order to explain the topic.
DeleteWhere as outline B you can combine 8 and 9 to say that both women reach their resolution and climax of the story on getting back their freedom as Gautuer's character decides to leave her husband and Murakami's fights for her freedom from the alien
Outline B is more straightforward when writing this essay because then you put all your thoughts in order without going all over the place
ReplyDeleteYes, Edona, with outline B, you don't have to use so many transitions, but if you're comfortable with transitions--many of which appear in the Writing and Literature textbook--then outline B is not a problem.
DeleteI posted a comment and realized I wasn't signed in, so rewriting just in case;
ReplyDeleteI think a full thematic overlook of both stories (Outline C) is a bit excessive, but putting more emphasis on the literary themes and how they help convey the message in both stories is something I'd like to look into more, as you can tell from my paragraph.
TJ, I think when you're doing character analysis, you can't help but deal with the major themes. It won't be a problem. And I agree with your point that it's excessive for the thematic approach to dominate.
DeleteSame via posting a comment and it didnt appear
ReplyDeleteOutline A focuses more on the compare/contrast aspect while outline B focuses on in-depth analysis. i prefer outline A
Tiffani, I can see your point, but in outline B, the comparison/contrast comes through in topic sentences and in the conclusion, which we haven't filled in.
Delete(If necessary, I'll do that after class--i.e. tonight or tomorrow.)
May I ask someone tentatively to fill in the following for outline A and then we can tweak it if necessary:
ReplyDelete8. Hint -- Use of climax/resolution? Rosa ___________
9. Hint--use of climax/resolution? Murakami's protagonist __________
9. Murakami's protagonist conquered her fear and found control.
DeleteOK, Xikun, you are on to something here for paragraph 9: But now we can add the literary term: In the climax, Murakami's protagonist conquered her fear and found control.
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ReplyDeleteI prefer outline B for my style. I feel it can be easy for the reader to be confused jumping back and forth between stories in each paragraph, so I prefer the in depth analysis of one then the next. Also the youtube video was very helpful.
I'm glad you like the video, Freddy; it sounds as though you are already reading Macbeth!
Deletevery slowly at this point. The video and the political context you shared made me want to dive into the history and background more.
DeleteYes, if you go slowly, you'll learn more and miss less.
DeleteProfessor do you think I can do 4-5 body paragraphs just comparing and then the other half of the body paragraphs contrasting of the two stories ?
ReplyDeleteEdona, I've had students do that in the past and I don't remember it working well. It got too choppy. I feel that either outline A or B will be best for you.
DeleteOk thank you !
DeleteOne thing I haven't mentioned is that I want to make sure that people who are not doing the 2 stories in the example can comfortably transpose their stories into this outline. If they are not, I have to do a more abstract and less specific set of outlines for them--these would be called, I guess, outlines C and D.
ReplyDeleteoutline A
ReplyDelete8. Gay's main protagonist avoids the reality of her husband's proposal.
9. Murakami's protagonist embraces her hatred and finds control.
This is interesting, Jhonny. Feel free to substitute your #8 for what I wrote on the outline on the blog post.
DeleteYou'll notice that I have added in the last few minutes to both Outline A and B, and I think that we can call this a final version. However, I didn't say where to mention 3 literary techniques, except for climax/ resolution. I think you should mention the literary techniques wherever you think they fit naturally. Don't define the literary techniques when you use them, and don't go into a lot of detail. For example, everyone should mention the kind of narrator used-- for example, if it's a first person narrator in Gay's story, when you are quoting her, you can introduce the quote by saying something: The first-person narrator, who is also the protagonist, is not afraid of her husband actually behaving unfaithfully: " " (Gay).
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DeleteSo you don't want us to say "The oak tree can be seen as a symbolism...."
DeleteYou can say: "The oak tree is a symbol of ________" but just put it in the context of one of the body paragraphs' analysis of character or theme. Symbolism can be included as one of the possibilities. In other words, "Murakami's protagonist reveals her problem with her marriage when she fixates on the oak tree, which is a symbol of __________."
Deleteoutline A seems to be more straightforward i feel that b is also a good choice but you can kind of get lost or overshare because it is a more in depth outline
ReplyDeleteI don't know who is posting. Please identify yourself!
DeleteBy oversharing, I think you mean having too much plot summary, and I totally agree that everyone should avoid telling too much of the story, but you can avoid it with both outlines
For the body paragraphs i do agree that they kind of missed the topic sentence and the explaining/elaborating the topic sentence.
ReplyDeleteGiselle, even if they missed the precise way of presenting the topic sentence, it will be easy for them to develop strong topic sentences because they have a lot of good material in the paragraphs.
Deleteoh okay
DeleteDespite the small errors in the second body paragraph I think the IQA format was very effective in helping the writer get their point across.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you.
Delete- Jenny Lin.
Yes, Elvin, and I hope everyone can use the I Q A format in almost all or even all of your body paragraphs.
DeleteI'm wondering if the 2 sample body paragraphs and my comments on them raise questions for any of you about how to develop body paragraphs in the essay?
ReplyDeleteI feel like a common issue between the two paragraphs of repetition. I know I tend to struggle with repeating myself in an essay as well, so I know it's something hard to avoid. However, that being said, I feel the "main" point of the paragraph (the quote analysis) was very well done. One very tiny thing I think the first paragraph should add is how they don't even see Yauba as a full person but merely a hand, it's beyond not seeing past him as a worker.
ReplyDeleteRegarding repetition of ideas in general, one should state the main idea in the topic sentence once, but if there are specific nuances or fine points that deserve elaboration, this is worthwhile and does not constitute repetition. In fact, NOT elaborating makes the body paragraphs too short. And it's not repetition, as I think you're suggesting, TJ, if you give several details or examples for a single general point in a particular body paragraph.
DeleteOn Wednesday, even though we'll be discussing Macbeth (on the "Macbeth Act I and II" blog post), anyone should feel free at any time between 10:30 and 12:30 to ask me SPECIFIC questions about how to do aspects of Essay 1, which is due on Monday, Apr. 6. You can also do this on email during office hours and basically any time, and on days when we don't have class, I'll be checking email once or twice a day.
ReplyDeleteThese questions should refer specifically to what I have written:
in the prompt (the instructions on page 6 and 7 of the course schedule of the syllabus for Mon. April 6,
on the 3 blog posts that deal with essay 1, ESPECIALLY this one: "Essay 1: Organization,
in the comments section of the 3 blog posts.
If you only ask questions after you have reviewed these things, we will save time and I will be able to help you understand what to do.
Good Morning Professor,
DeleteI was just wondering who will be our peer-critiquing partners? Are you going to assign them?
Gosh, Jaimy, I thought I had. Let me check sent emails, and I'll get back to you soon.
DeleteYou didn't assigned them, Sir.
ReplyDeleteAt this point (1:52) I've emailed everyone with their peer-critiquing assignments.
DeleteProffessor when we edit our peers paper do we send it to them so they can maybe make changes to their paper or send it straight to you ?
ReplyDelete- Kaniya White
Kaniya,
DeleteYou send it to them. You don't need to send it to me.
Good Morning Professor,
ReplyDeleteI don't have questions concerning Essay 1.
Thank you
I don't have any questions regarding Essay 1 professor
ReplyDeletegoodmorning professor, no questions for essay 1
ReplyDeleteWhen is the revision due?
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